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Fourth Annual Michigan State Subgun Match

Sean Callahan's hat at the 2011 MI state Subgun Match says it all.

The Black Creek Conservation Club is sponsoring the fourth annual Michigan state subgun competition in Mt. Pleasant Michigan Saturday August 10, 2013. The cost is $40 per shooter per run. There will be 5-6 COF’s per run. The match will be limited to thirty six (36) shooters on Saturday morning and thirty six (36) Saturday afternoon. Lunch and water are included. All proceeds go to the Black Creek Conservation Club. Your sign-up sheet and full payment secure you a spot. No refunds after July 1, 2013.

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Know Your Limits – A concept in fun and skill

Know Your Limits

A few weeks ago I had ordered a scope mount from the good folks over at LaRue Tactical. When the order arrived there was a free  DVD of a precision rifle challenge that features some very nice LaRue guns.  One of the stages was called “Know Your Limit” where the shooters  could engage targets for bonus points.  There were three targets, each smaller than the previous. The trick was that  the shot difficulty increased as did the possible points you could get.  The key to be successful  was to quit and take your points before you missed. If you took a shot and missed you lost all of the points accumulated  for the entire stage.

This type of concept seems pretty straight forward for single shot rifles but I contemplated for a few days on how too  best implement this type of a scenario with submachine guns.  What I ended up doing is outlined below. It is by no means perfect but it is a good starting point and a positive proof of concept that this idea works for subguns.

The Course of Fire

The course of fire setup is deceivingly simple. Two pairs of hanging steel plates (approx 18″x24″) and a plate rack. The hanging steel pairs on at the ten and two positions and the plate rack at 12 o’clock.  Three no shoots are a few feet in front of the plate rack with holes cut out of them. The left most no-shoot has the entire A zone cut out of a standard IPSC target and through the hole you can see the left most plate (plate #1) . The middle no-shoot has the top half of the center A zone cut out and through it the third plate from the left is visible.  The right no-shoot has a small triangle that is centered in what would be one quarter of the A zone .  The distance from the shooter to the plate rack is about 10-12 yards and between the no-shoots the other three plates (#2,#4,#6) are visible.

On the buzzer The shooter must  engage all 4 hanging steel and targets # 2, 4, 6 on the plate rack (in any order the shooter chooses) and then the last shot(s) must pass through the hole in the no-shoot that corresponds with the “level” they are on. There are three levels, 1, 2 and 3.  Once the shooter completes a level successfully they can choose to either stop and take their points or they can continue on to the next level.  Each level has a par time that decreases as the levels go up.  If the shooters last shot is past the par time or the shooter hits a no-shoot they are done and loose ALL points earned.  If you fail on level 3 you loose the 20 seconds you had accumulated until that point.  Below are the level breakdowns of points, time and targets.

Level 1 Par time 20 seconds, Final Target = Left target,  Bonus time 10 seconds (total 10 seconds earned)

Level 2 Par time 15 seconds, Final Target = Middle target, Bonus time 10 seconds (total 20 seconds earned)

Level 3 Par time 10 seconds, Final Target = Right target,  Bonus time 15 seconds  (total 35 seconds)

Level 1 was designed so even the most novice of shooters could complete it and get the 10 second bonus. If a shooter were to complete all three levels they could earn 35 seconds in bonus time off their score for the day.  Out of 33 shooters for the day only two made it to level three and passed earning the full 35 second bonus.   Ten made it to level two and stopped to collect their 20 second bonus and five made it past level one and took 10 seconds  to play it safe.  That leaves seventeen shooters who  pushed their luck and  didn’t know their limits and either didn’t beat the par time or shot the no-shoots and failed.

Below is a video of the author shooting this course of fire and as you can tell by the comments from the peanut gallery behind me there was an incredible amount of ego bashing and urging by all parties trying to egg each shooter on past their limits. My limit for that day should have been the first two levels only. I pushed it and I paid the price with a big fat ZERO  for my score instead of the 20 seconds I had earned to that point. Out of the seven stages in this match I have to say that this one was one of the most fun. It was a challenge of both skill and discipline. In the video below there is a bit of a break between level two and level three as I shot steel to see where  I was hitting.  As the coordinator for this match I wasn’t competing for score since I had prior knowledge of the blind stage and I was demonstrating for the squad how to shoot the stage. As you can see it didn’t help me 🙂 Anyway I hope others who view this can see the many possibilities in this concept and I look forward to seeing what others can do with it.


Knob Creek Fall 2012 Results & Videos

The 2012 Knob Creek Subgun National competition is now completed. Richard Lage took top honors with his Max-31 in 125,76 seconds in the open bolt with optics class. Very few shooters were able to complete this course of fire without penalties. The bar has been set high by match Director Paul Winters for expectations on what to be prepared for at this bi-annual event. This course of fire challenged all who shot it and the videos tell the whole story much better than I ever could. Flying cans, no-shoot swinging targets and tiny targets at distance were only a few of the obstacles thrown at shooters during this event.


Last Name First Name Gun Class Score
1 Carrere Joyce Swedish K Open Bolt/Optic Sights 203.65
2 Bryant Robin MP5 Closed Bolt/Iron Sights 240.80
Carrere Joyce Swedish K Open Bolt/Iron Sights 249.66
Bryant Robin MP5 Closed Bolt/Optic Sights 250.53
3 Jordan Deb Uzi Open Bolt/Optic Sights 437.50
4 Grocox Amy Uzi Open Bolt/Optic Sights 545.40
Bryant Robin Sterling Open Bolt/Optic Sights 575.40
Bryant Robin Sterling Open Bolt/Iron Sights 999.00


Open Bolt/Optic Sights

Last Name First Name Gun Score
1 Lage Richard Max 31 Lage 125.76 (TOP GUN)
2 Hipes Chris Max 31 Lage 145.96
3 Louis Todd Uzi 146.90
4 Allen Daniel Max 31 Lage 155.41
5 Sawyer Samantha M11 172.94
6 Tapar Paul Max 31 Lage 176.70
7 James Tom Uzi 181.76
8 Montgomery Ron Uzi 184.21
9 Carrere Joe, Sr Swedish K 184.31
10 Parker Jeremy Sterling Mark IV 188.82
11 White Joe M11 190.25
12 Ezendam Thomas Max 31 Lage 199.79
13 Sawyer MG Sterling 203.57
14 Hill Todd Max11K Lage 215.50
15 Hipes Austin Max 31 Lage 219.97
16 Laub Pete S&W 76 228.52
17 Phillips Chuck Sterling 229.50
18 Russell Jeff Swedish K 231.56
19 Baillie Joel Swedish K 234.48
20 Wiersbitzky Andreas Sterling 237.15
21 Ottoni Leo Swedish K 243.90
22 Tice George Swedish K 254.10
23 Emery Bruce Swedish K 265.98
24 Pandiscia Brian Max 11 Lage SWD 274.19
25 Asnip Andrew Sterling 290.63
26 Dunham Douglas Max 31 Lage 356.58
27 Grocox Cain Uzi 377.44
28 Bryant Robby Mac10 381.56
29 Crawford Ryan M11 388.10
30 Winthrop Michael Spitfire 416.55
31 Markovcy Mike Mac10 446.15
32 Mitchell Cameron BRP STG-34K 446.15
33 Schillig Edward Max 31 Lage DQ


Open Bolt/Iron Sights

Last Name First Name Gun Score
1 Lage Richard Max 31 Lage 189.77
2 Holden JL Thompson 190.57
3 Markovcy Mike Uzi 198.72
4 Montgomery Ron Uzi 203.45
5 Louis Todd Uzi 209.08
6 Parker Jeremy Sterling 214.31
7 Phillips Chuck Sterling 216.55
8 James Tom Uzi 217.13
9 Hill Todd Max11K Lage 219.19
10 Sawyer MG Sten 220.72
11 Carpenter Tom Uzi 228.38
12 Hipes Chris Max 31 Lage 229.98
13 Kumer Mike M3 237.84
14 Baillie Joel Swedish K 242.89
15 Montgomery Andy Sterling 245.33
16 Reinhold Jim Uzi 251.45
17 Asnip Andrew Sterling 258.74
18 Mendenhall Monty Beretta 1938 275.41
19 Winthrop Michael Spitfire 276.85
20 Ottoni Leo Swedish K 286.00
21 Sawyer Samantha Port Said 288.68
22 Grocox Cain Uzi 290.80
23 Emery Bruce Swedish K 297.70
24 MacFarlane Robert Uzi 314.98
25 Carrere Joe, Sr Swedish K 315.38
26 Roberts CJ Sterling Mark IV 316.75
27 Childs Nick Thompson 316.91
28 Hipes Austin Max 31 Lage 318.14
29 Norman Dennis M11 319.84
30 Schillig Edward Max 31 Lage 320.20
31 Bryant Robby Sterling 320.42
32 Wiersbitzky Andreas Uzi 340.75
33 Dunham Douglas Max 31 Lage 346.07
34 Russell Jeff Swedish K 354.71
35 Laub Pete S&W 76 362.48
36 Allen Daniel Max 31 Lage 380.10
37 Ezendam Thomas Max 31 Lage 404.75
38 Callahan Michael Thompson 486.70
39 Winters Rick Thompson 28A1 699.73
40 Beck Jeff Beretta 38A 729:73
41 Crawford Ryan M11 729:74
42 Haynes Ken M11 729:75
43 Tice George Swedish K 729:76
44 Matthews Ronnie M11 AD
45 Kolodziej John M11 Soumi AD


Closed Bolt/Optic Sights

Last Name First Name Gun Score
1 Holden JL MP5 136.98
2 Hipes Chris Max 31 Lage 158.26
3 White Joe M11 Lage 163.96
4 Allen Daniel Max 31 Lage 165.98
5 Phillips Chuck MP5 171.94
6 Bryant Robby MP5 186.43
7 Carpenter Tom MP5 186.75
8 Sawyer MG M11 187.91
9 King Chase MP5 188.11
10 Parker Jeremy MP5 195.01
11 Reinhold Jim M16 211.88
12 Wiersbitzky Andreas MP5 212.25
13 Markovcy Mike MP5 213.48
14 Johnson Wes MP5 214.65
15 Ezendam Thomas Max 31 Lage 219.52
16 Luttke Brian MP5 232.99
17 Herber Mark MP5 236.40
18 Norman Dennis M16 247.81
19 Stowe Richard, Jr M16 252.30
20 James Tom MP5 255.91
21 Lage Richard Max 31 Lage 258.14
22 Louis Todd MP5 259.56
23 Varner Ed MP5 263.94
24 Hipes Austin Max 31 Lage 266.20
25 Holden Terry MP5 280.50
26 Laub Pete M16 282.79
27 Erickson John M16 319.69
28 Stowe Richard M16 319.72
29 Baillie Joel MP5 328.94
30 Steedly George M16 374.80
31 Carrere Joe, Sr M16 591.65
32 Dunham Douglas Max 31 Lage 621.65
33 Emery Bruce Max 31 Lage 621.65
34 Hineline David M16 621.65
35 Tapar Paul Max 31 Lage 621.65
36 Winthrop Michael AR45 621.65
37 Sawyer Samantha Max 31 Lage AD


Closed Bolt/Iron Sights

Last Name First Name Gun Score
1 Carpenter Tom MP5 162.10
2 Parker Jeremy MP5 176.79
3 Markovcy Mike MP5 196.05
4 Norman Dennis M16 223.41
5 Lage Richard Max 31 Lage 223.42
6 Holden JL MP5 225.56
7 Herber Mark MP5 229.80
8 Phillips Chuck MP5 234.60
9 MacFarlane Robert MP5 248.85
10 James Tom MP5 259.04
11 Kumer Mike Reising 264.95
12 Sawyer Samantha Max 31 Lage 272.41
13 Wiersbitzky Andreas MP5 293.11
14 Roberts CJ MP5 299.02
15 Hipes Chris Max 31 Lage 308.40
16 Keith Davy MP5 324.44
17 King Chase MP5 330.08
18 Bryant Robby MP5 362.58
19 Dobbins Hugh MP5 376.44
20 Baillie Joel MP5 427.33
21 Carrere Joe, Sr M16 640.83
22 Allen Daniel Max 31 Lage 670.83
23 Emery Bruce Max 31 Lage 670.83
24 Hipes Austin Max 31 Lage 670.83
25 Steedly George M16 670.83
26 Winthrop Michael AR45 670.83
27 Dunham Douglas Max 31 Lage 670.83
28 Johnson Wes MP5 DQ
29 Sawyer MG M11 Lage DQ


2012 Michigan State Subgun Match Results & Videos

2012 Michigan State subgun Championship winners
Todd, Amy, Garrett, Kat and Bruce with their trophies

The third annual MI State Sub-machine Gun Competition has just wrapped up on Saturday 8-11-2012. Congratulations to the winners and to all of the staff and competitors who make this a very successful event. The Full results with errors and raw time are in PDF files below. The fast time on each stage has been highlighted. Yellow for optics , blue for iron sights.

2012 MI State Subgun Results Ordered By time

2012 MI subgun results ordered by class

Optic Sights
Place Score Shooter Gun
1 143.76 Jackson, Garrett M11 – Fastest TIME
2 148.59 Emery, Bruce Max 11
3 149.45 L, Todd Uzi
4 185.21 Manning, Robert Uzi
5 215.27 Grocox, Cain Uzi
6 242.42 Wendt, Robert MP5
7 252.13 Hill, Todd Max 11
8 270.38 Luettke, Brian MP5
9 270.68 Varner, Ed MP5
10 276.66 Bennett, Glenn M16
11 283.02 York, Clifton Uzi
12 290.38 Pandiscia, Brian M11
13 292.95 Callahan, Sean Max 10
14 303.98 Baillie, Joel MP5
15 308.53 Tannery, George MP5
16 329.51 McRoberts, Joe M16
17 330.36 Callahan, Scott Max 10
18 408.80 Bradley, Charlie Uzi
19 456.69 Callahan, Mike Thompson

Iron Sights
Place Score Shooter Gun
1 189.00 L, Todd Uzi
2 197.51 Emery, Bruce Max 11
3 223.07 Jackson, Garrett Max 11
4 223.10 Grocox, Cain Uzi
5 231.15 Varner, Ed MP40
6 234.10 McRoberts, Joe Berreta 38A
7 247.48 Baillie, Joel MP5
8 253.49 Tannery, George M3
9 275.08 Winters, Paul Thompson
10 297.78 Bradley, Charlie Uzi
11 305.34 Manning, Robert Uzi
12 307.88 Wendt, Robert MP5
13 311.11 Dorias, Jim Uzi
14 319.23 Bennett, Glenn Berreta 38A
15 342.45 Pandiscia, Brian M16
16 345.07 Callahan, Mike Thompson
17 349.42 Callahan, Scott MP5-40
18 358.52 Sheridan, Phil MP5
19 371.89 Weierstahl, Arndt Uzi
20 382.21 Callahan, Sean MP5-40

Female Shooters
Place Score Shooter Gun Class
1 293.94 Brown, Kathryn Berreta 38A Iron – FIRST PLACE WOMENS IRON
2 353.26 Bennett, Suzanne Berreta 38A Iron
3 415.45 Grocox, Amy Uzi Optic = FIRST PLACE WOMENS OPTIC
4 428.08 Zimmermann, Nancy Berreta 38A Iron
5 435.28 Grocox, Amy Uzi Iron
6 452.67 Bennett, Suzanne M16 Optic
7 504.32 Brown, Kathryn M16 Optic
8 656.90 Zimmermann, Nancy M16 Optic

More videos of the match can be found here

Manton MI Subgun Match – April 28th 2012

Due to this years Spring Knob Creek being canceled the folks in Manton MI have stepped up to the plate and they plan on putting on an event April 28th. The info is below.

Event Location
Action Shooting Sports
1872 North Road
Manton, MI 49663
Call or e-mail for directions or any questions (pre-registration not required)

There will be 2 divisions– Iron sights and Optics for each class of weapons Semi and Subgun

Match fee will be $20 for the first run, $15 for the second run, only the first run in a class will count in the standings.

4 or 5 stages, round count around 200+ per run, bring extra
Semi-auto shooters bring 150+ per run, bring extra

All subgun and carbine matches 380 and above pistol only.
No steel core, tracers, incendiary and armor piercing. Straight walled pistol caliber only no 30 carbine, 300 whisper ect.

Shooters are responsible for having all necessary NFA paperwork.

There will be a range to shoot other guns so bring some of your toys and have fun.